The Magicanada Project

Michael Kras · Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject:

Ben is right... I went down this road before and it was hard getting out.

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Reuben The Great · Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 245

Hey Ben, appreciate your comment, was waiting for it.

See, my thinking is, I really, really do not want to be the know it all kid, I just want to be the kid I am-- someone who adores magic, loves jam sessions, loves to create magic.

I mean, mostly the reason I want to release it is so that people can actually perform it-- I know there aren't too any great levitating cards out there without threads, magnets, etc. And I do believe that people won't say "oh this was a let down,"etc. because the levitation is not like that in the slightest. Mike can vouch for that. Ben, would you like me to send you the video for reference anyway?

I hope all goes well. I will listen to your guys advice, but I really do want something to come of this. Again, I want a name in magic, but a good one, not a bad one. I wouldn't think about releasing it for a good couple months or so so I can perform it live for people, type of a manuscript of tips on performance, routines, etc. I want to release it just not too soon.

Thoughts? Ben, message me, the youtube video is private because I took it down for now.
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Michael Kras · Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject:

You have all the time in the world to make a name for yourself... it has taken me almost 9 years to become something in magic and it took a lot of work, especially after trying to release some underdeveloped ideas, stuff I'd only worked on for a month or two inconsistently. The results were near disastrous and it took me a long time to be accepted as somewhat of a peer. You've not been in magic for even 2 years yet. For someone to make a name for himself with only 2 years behind him would have to be a prodigy.
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Reuben The Great · Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 245

Well, think about it.

What were you like when you were two years into magic? Did you create something like I did?

If you did you would have probably had a huge name for yourself. If you created the destiny effect when you were two years into magic and released as you did, bam, you'e a prodigy, no?

Not saying I'm a prodigy, lol, just saying that I'm proud that after only 2 years I've created something really cool. It's not near done yet though, so I have lots of time to improve it.
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Ben Train · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 268

HAHAHAHA.

This thread has turned funny!

Rubes, would love to see a video. I'm on msn. Shazam.

Where are my nuts?
Ben

Ben Train · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 268

found 'em.

Michael Kras · Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject:

Reuben The Great · Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 245

Mike, I think you're becoming a bit hostile towards me.

We've had a HUGE discussion about the similarity to the gimmick, in fact, I HAVE ONE, and they are not the same at all. Maybe the same material or close to it, but not the same at all.

I'm planning to tell a few trusted people the method and see if they would test it out in their presentation environment. Brian, and Ben, I would love if you tried it out (if you'd like, not forcing you to!) After a while, of many performances and improvments, maybe THEN can I release it.

I will try that poor mans copyright or whatever, how does that even work? I don't want to end up getting it stolen or ending up how Mike started, so I think this is my best opportunity. But, what I do not want to do, is release it when I'm a lot older. This poses the problem of, "how will I be able to get a name for anybody to even know me then?
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Michael Kras · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:02 am Post subject:

Upon reflection of my past few posts, I have realized how arrogant I have sounded throughout the discussion of this topic. I can sometimes use incorrect words to express myself and come across as a know-it-all or self proclaimed magic expert. I am none of these. In addition to apologizing for my recent behaviour, I would also like to add that, to completely contradict what I have said previously, I do not know what I'm doing in this matter. Sure, I have gone through bad experiences with trying to release half-baked ideas, but it's not for me to say that I have completely evolved and am now ready to tackle the big guns as well as being able to "hitch on with the best of them". I did not intentionally come across this way, nor did I intend to imply superiority to anybody here or anywhere else.

Good luck with your new idea Reuben, and be sure to pay attention to the guys who know what they are talking about. I've received my share of advice that is genuinely priceless, stuff that I could have easily been charged to learn.

However, although it's not for me to say, why do you assume that your idea would/will get stolen?
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Ben Train · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 268

The poor man's copyright, as Brian mentioned, is this:

you've mailed yourself a letter which is sealed and stamped by the postal service. It's also dated.

Which means if someone releases the same idea you can then show them the letter, open it, and establish you had the idea first.

The problem is in magic that whoever releases first usually wins. You might get a mention, but he gets all the credit.

Ben
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I started when I was 8, bought some tricks and fake dog poop (puff cigs, hand buzzers, etc) but then quit. Started again when I was 16, and ended up working as a demonstrator and Canada's Wonderland for Browser's that same year. Spent some time working, quit when I was 18, started again when I was 19. Now I'm 23. So, I've been doing magic on and off again for 15 years, 2 months of which I've done it seriously.

Why you need to know that I don't know. Losers.

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The best reason to wait is that you are for SURE going to come up with better presentations, better handlings, and other ideas using the gimick. Why release a project unless you can make it awesome? At some point, of course, you'll have to let it go- but not before you're sure you haven't missed something MAJOR.

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