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Ben Train
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| LIVR wrote: | | techniques... essential techniques |
Essential to WHAT? performing card magic (we KNOW you can do some amazing things without sleight of hand)? Being a technician (no need for charisma or performance ability)? Etc.
We need to know WHAT the objective is (performing card magic for people in general?) and,
When you say "technique", what do you mean? A palm? Rhythm? Timing? Charisma? Are we talking moves, concepts, what?
Not trying to be difficult, but I would happily provide you with the best answer I could if I knew what was being asked...
Ben
p.s.
I'm guessing you are NOT Andru?
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LIVR
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: |
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sleight (n.)
A clever or skillful trick or deception; an artifice or stratagem
And we're looking for six of them.
And no... not Andru |
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Ben Train
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| LIVR wrote: | sleight (n.)
A clever or skillful trick or deception; an artifice or stratagem
And we're looking for six of them.
And no... not Andru |
So the correct answer is... there are none. No matter what sleight someone names I can name a succesful card performer who does NOT use that technique.
Now, as far as the answer if I was FORCED to give it-
I suscribe to the Shulien school of though, though I've modified it a little. I don't think there are SPECIFIC techniques you need, but CONCEPTS. Let me explain.
You should be able to do multiple lifts. Not a specific one (like Gordon's or Vernon's) bu SEVERAL.
You should be able to do palming.
You should be able to control cards.
You should be able to force cards.
From this point on people's list differ. Occasionally (From the 50s-70s when these types of lists were being published by Hugard, Leo Benke, and others) people would put on the top change. I think including CHANGES would be a better idea, but since I can only have 6 techniques, and I already have palming (which of course can be used for changes) I decided NOT to include it. Instead, my remaining two are-
Shuffle and cut work. I'm an Erdnase boy at heart.
Cull work. Yup, cull work.
Of course, one doesn't want to limit the tools at their disposal. Luckily the "enthusiast will not rest until every sleight in the calendar has been perfectly mastered, so that he may be enabled to nonplus and squelch that particularly obnoxious but ever present individual, who with his smattering of the commoner slights always knows exactly how it is done."
I look forward to your disagreement.
Ben |
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LIVR
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Five out of six... there's a boy who thinks!
Though I'd let other people have a chance to play since I'm betting you already own the book in question. |
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Ben Train
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| LIVR wrote: | Five out of six... there's a boy who thinks!
Though I'd let other people have a chance to play since I'm betting you already own the book in question. |
Well, feel free to pm me! I would LOVE to hear you thoughts.
Ben
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Depends which book we're talking about! |
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Michael Kras
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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In my opinion, the six are:
1. Knowing many effective methods of card forcing
2. Knowing numerous deceptive controls
3. Knowing a few different double or multiple lifts.
4. Different shuffling or mixing methods.
5. Different palming or copping techniques.
6. Knowing some deceptive peeks.
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LIVR
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael Kras wrote: | In my opinion, the six are:
1. Knowing many effective methods of card forcing
2. Knowing numerous deceptive controls
3. Knowing a few different double or multiple lifts.
4. Different shuffling or mixing methods.
5. Different palming or copping techniques.
6. Knowing some deceptive peeks. |
It's a good selection but you're back to the fallacy of quantity over quality. You also need to learn the distinction between "knowing" and "doing".
In the past year I've made use of one force, one peek and one multiple lift (I admit I personally splurged and used four controls and two palms: one for each hand).[/i] |
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Michael Kras
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That's very true... I definitely misworded myself. I personally think a card worker should have knowledge of a few techniques for a multiple lift, force, control, etc.... but do one or two of each really really well. That would allow the performer to completely commit so specific moves and master them. Of course, it definitely does hurt to know the technique behind other version's of the essential sleights and utilities, as well as the ability to at least execute them adequately.
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LIVR
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3~4
Ben was closer.
Any other contenders? |
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Michael Kras
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| LIVR wrote: | | Ben was closer. |
Ha, I don't doubt that for a second! 
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