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| Michael Kras |
Your Favourite Magic Plot?What is your current favourite magic plot and why? What particular effects based on that plot do you like?My personal favourite plot is the Sandwich plot. I think I know too many Sandwich effect actually, but my favourites would certainly have to be Monkey Business by Iain Moran, SandTrap by our own Brian Miller, and David Acer's Flipwich. By the way Brian, aweseom name for that effect! Wish I had thought of it! I guess my effect will be named Split Sandwich. 
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| BrianMillerMagic |
I love Flipwich! David Acer is the man  Hmm...my favorite plot? Or since we're on Magicanada I suppose I should say "favOUrite" plot. I think impossible location is one of my top favorites. Sankey's Paperclipped pretty much takes the cake, but Sanders' Sugarless Gum and Cramped were both in my repertoire for a long time. The impossible location plot is extremely open-ended, so I could probably list particular effects for days.
By the way Michael, thank you for the kind comments about SandTrap. Split Sandwich sounds messy
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| Michael Kras |
Yeah, what's with those stupid American VS Canadian spellings? Weall speak the same language!
Anyways, interesting choice for a favourite plot... although it is quite a general one, you have definitely given some great examples! Would you mind briefly explaining Cramped? |
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| BrianMillerMagic |
Borrowed and signed bill disappears in your hands, only to show up inside the cap of the marker....that the spectator is still holding on to since the beginning of the effect!
EDIT: I did forget to mention Garrett Thomas' Brass Block effect, which gets my pick for favorite card to impossible location, mostly because it's the one I still use in my strolling work. |
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| Michael Kras |
Sounds, well, impossible! | ||||||||||||
| Liam |
i made up... well not really, i just used ideas from several different effects to come up with a bill to impossible location trick. A bill is borrowed, and the pin number is written down. I then take the bill and a packet of never opened live savers. I invented this near christmas, so i said some stuff about how in some counrties, people would write letters to santa clause and burn them, so the smoke would get to santa. I then procceed to light the bill on fire right below the live savers. I then say that the bill has been brought to inside the livesavers. I hand them to a spectator to open and check the pin number of the bill that is rolled up inside the candy.
As for my favourite plot... i like transpositions. Things like the flight of the eagles, the coin matrix, or subway. |
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| Liam |
I've changed my mind.
I like twisting effects. Things like the invisible deck, The Four Card Game, or Renegade |
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| Michael Kras |
That's a good plot as well. The Paper Engine is Chock Full of card reveral effects. | ||||||||||||
| Dbaker |
Impossible Location | ||||||||||||
| Guest |
i lik were the jaks r robbers and the kigs r detcive then fin the robbr | ||||||||||||
| Dbaker |
That's not a "plot" Philmar. That's a script. |
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| Guest |
I must humbly beg to differ. The plot is what drives the script. Four detectives seeking out four robbers is a plot line. The script, however, may go like this: "Ladies and Gentlemen, for your amusement, and in this time of terrible trouble that we face, where it seems that the youngest of our ranks prefer to steal rather than learn their lessons in school and strive to make a honest living off of the sweat of their brow, I would like to present to you a modern story of thieves and police. Cops and robbers, as it were. "Representing the young hooligans, let's surmise that the jacks of the deck will do an admirable job of this..." At this point, if you wish to make this treatment just a bit more magical, use your favorite method of the spectator cutting to the aces, but use jacks instead. You can reasonably add by-play to this by pointing out that the spectator sure seems to have an affinity for thieves...Do this in the proper fashion and you can leave it almost as a double entendre as it will be up to your spectator to decide if you mean that he would make a good detective or that he is a "bird of a feather." This would come down to your own presentational abilities, of course, as to whether or not you'd actually attempt something so cheeky with your specs. Anyway, I'm not here to give you a script, only explain that a detective story using jacks as thieves and kings as detectives isn't a script, it is a plot. The study of theater will probably explain it better than I can. |
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| Liam |
in litarary terms, you are correct. If there was a book about robbing jacks and detective kings it would be a plot. But in magical terms, plot doesnt mean the story line. It deffines a group of tricks, all with a similar visual endings. Such as a sandwich plot would be a trick with a card sandwiched in between other cards. A sandwich plot would not be "the card is chose and the put back in the deck and its a robber and then two dectectives flip over a surround him" |
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| Dbaker |
Philmar,
Magic has 8 basic plots: Production Vanish Transformation Restoration Transposition Levitation Solid through solid Prediction All magic effects are expansions and/or alterations of these basic plots. In their more specific forms, they get names like "Impossible Location" - a version of "solid through solid" typically used in a close-up performance. You are correct in saying that the plot drives the script, but what you are referring to ("The Burglar Jacks") is a script none the less. There are several variations of the effect such as "Fishing Kings", "Royale", "Royale With Cheese", etc. You reference theater, so I'll use an example from there - Romeo and Juliet. The plot = "2 kids fall in love, then they die." The script is yet to be mentioned, but you already have the general frame. There are countless ways for "2 kids fall in love, then they die" to play out - each is it's own script. As Lposrggg pointed out, you are thinking in literary terms; however, neither theatre nor magic work in the same terms as literature. |
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| Guest |
Please site a reference to back up your arguments.
The following are termed "Basic Effects:" Production Vanish Transformation Restoration Transposition Levitation Solid through solid Prediction Of course, you are free to call them anything you want, but again, I ask for references. You will find, though, that those preceding basic effects are covered by Dariel Fitzkee in "The Trick Brain" (then again, maybe you haven't heard of Fitzkee), wherein he includes 19 basic effects altogether. Further, S. H. Sharpe in "Neo-Magic" (maybe you've heard of Sharpe) lists 6 basic effects, but several of them are broken down into sub-catagories coming to 20 specific basic effects altogether. So, if you are going to challenge my post, then please do so with references. I've given you two references from men who are considered important study for those who would claim to be magicians to back up my claim. I'm interested to see where you are getting your information or if this is simply your opinion of what it should be with no real study of theater in general and magic specifically. Regarding the definition of "plot" in theater, it actually has two seperate meanings: 1) In stage terminology, it is the list of requirements for and act, show or scene (there is a seperate plot list for lighting, sound and prop). 2) It is the dramatic premise and sequence of an effect, act or show. On a side note, you'll find that little factoid in "The Encyclopedia of Magic and Magicians" (Waters). Hopefully, I will not need to explain this further. |
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| Dbaker |
1: These are the basic working definitions, which have been used in magic for decades.
2: Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic (the definitive beginner's text) gives a comnplete outline of the terms and their meanings. I suggest you pick up a copy. 3: From what I've heard of Mr. Fitzkee, he is the steryotype of the youtube magician. Getting his magical knowlege from internet searches instead of actually gaining experience. The fact that he "publishes" his work through an outfit as shady as lybrary.com lends credibility to that. 4: I have heard of SH Sharpe, but based on advice of peers, I have never bothered to read his work.
Considered important study? You named an ebook as one of your scources - if that doesn't burn credibility I don't know what does. This statement holds two very important pieces of information about you. 1: You've likely not been in magic long. 2: These are probably the only texts you've read on magic. Your implication that these texts are somehow "qualifiers" to become a magician cements in the point that you simply don't know what you're talking about.
These are the generally accepted terms in the industry - or at least they have been for the fifteen years I've been in it. I suggest you try asking the same question on themagiccafe.com I have a shock for you kid, you don't become a magician or any kind of performer by study. It comes through practice, and practice only. |
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| Guest |
Wow, how pathetic.
Dariel Fitzkee is one of the very highly regarded names in magic. A youtube magician? He died in 1978 - you do the math. He is reknowned for his more contemporary work with Genii magazine and "The Fitzkee Trilogy" is considered essential reading for any performer who takes magic seriously. You people here simply don't want to learn, do you? No doubt, I owned a copy of Wilson many years before you were born and this Wednesday I'll be on a plane to England to perform for live audiences over the entire weekend. What would I know about magic, eh? I would strongly suggest that you study what I'm telling you above. If you are dumb enough to start talking about "Sandwich Plots" with Sankey or any of the other magicians that you hold in high esteem, you'll look like complete idiots and boners to them. But, if that's what you want, then more power to you. Pathetic. |
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| Reuben The Great |
wow philmar, i guess people from alaska arent very bright. | ||||||||||||
| Ethan the Emazing |
Apparently |
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| Reuben The Great |
hey philmat has spokenun-n00bish now! i dont know if you copied and pasted that,. but still, i respet your un-n00bish behaviour. and i really hope you're joking about your fav sleight being the quarters on the arm. | ||||||||||||
| Michael Kras |
He will not be a problem anymore. Bye Bye Philmar! A ban has been indefinitely placed. Let's get back to learning WITHOUT condesending contridiction shall we?
I'll bet any money that was Mark Lewis hiding under one of his many secret forum identities. |
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| Reuben The Great |
but he was finally not being noob anymore, he was putting up good arguements. you cant ban him for that. and go on msn! | ||||||||||||
| Michael Kras |
I can ban him... he was acting rather condesending and arrogant while stupidly stating rather false arguments. | ||||||||||||
| BrianMillerMagic |
Michael is the forum administrator. He can ban anyone for anything he wants to. If I opened my own forum, I could do the same. If you walk into someone else's house and become a nuisance, you are asked to leave. If you refuse, you are removed forcefully. Same thing in a forum. | ||||||||||||
| Reuben The Great |
i completely understand, i didnt see any of his rude posts and comments before now, only him saying i like this effect blah blah blah. as i always say while pwning n00bs in halo 3,
"AINT NOBODY COMES IN MY HOUSE WITH MUDDY BOOTS ON!" |
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| Michael Kras |
Wow, very mature.. a comment left in the guestbook of my website:
"Dude you're a freaking idiot and you should give up magic and mentalism. And if your reactions to your mentalism are "either very minimal to non-existant" then perhaps it is how you perform that is the problem!!!" Perhaps his posts were all BS after all. |
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| Dbaker |
Regular people don't like mentalism that much, why can't people accept that? Anyway, I don't know alot about Dariel Fitzkee excluding what I've heard from other magicians - IS any of Philmar's info on him accurate? Incidently, 1: I've heard Sankey say the phrase "Sanwich Plot" on two occasions. 2: I doubt saying, "That trick where the kings are detectives and the Jacks are robbers" is much better. 3: What's a "boner" in this context? |
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| Michael Kras |
Philmar tells me he did not post that, but I honestly have my doubts. If he actually didn't, then apologies to him. However, two new comments showed up right after his and both are equally nasty. |
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| MH |
I would like to comment on your incorrect 'corrections'. To begin with, I am NOT Philmar, if you suggest such a thing, I will think of you as an idiot. Whoever Philmar is, he was right and you were wrong. No need to make things personal or biased, but his information is correct. Dariel Fitzkee was, as he stated, not a youtube magician. Having died decades before youtube was created, how can he be a stereotypical youtube kid? You obviously haven't actually researched or read Fitzkee. Don't put down magicians from the past because you don't like the person who mentions them. Lybrary, though it has its fair share of bad material, doesn't have a negative association to its name. The Tarbell Course is available on CD there. I don't suppose you're going to say Tarbell was a stereotypical youtube kid, are you? Fitzkee, just so you know, wrote one of the best booklets ever written on the subject of contact mindreading. That book alone makes him more significant in magic than you and me. I wouldn't trust any peers or 'magicians' who tell people that Fitzkee is a youtube magician. Whoever told you that is full of it and I would be wary of anything else they tell you from now on. Oh, and by the way, Fitzkee's books were printed in hard copies before Lybrary.com was created- as were the Tarbell books among others at lybrary. Mike banned Philmar for supposedly being condescending, yet you said "I suggest you pick up a copy" about Mark Wilson's book. That was an uncalled for attack, and you know it. " I have heard of SH Sharpe, but based on advice of peers, I have never bothered to read his work. " Another lie, I would say. Eugene Burger praised the work of Sharpe. I can't afford his books yet, but, based on the reviews of the likes of Derren Brown and Eugene Burger, you better bet I'm coing to buy them in the future. "1: You've likely not been in magic long. 2: These are probably the only texts you've read on magic. " Again, extremely condescending. The very fact that he knows of Fitzkee and Sharpe means he's probably been in magic for a minimum of 3 years. Probably a whole lot more. I'm not here to make enemies, but when the person who posts correct information is banned while the person who is truly condescending and wrong gets to stay, I can't help but fell pissed off. |
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| MH |
Did you READ his post? Did you look up Fitzkee and Sharpe? He was right! I understand your bias in favour of your friend, but that doesn't discredit what Philmar wrote. |
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| Michael Kras |
He was correct, for sure, but I found his initial start-off on this forum to be very confusing and annoying, using text speak and acting like a fool. Now he's some sort of magic guru for all we know, and although he was correct, I found a ban to be fitting for his belittling comments and bizarre start-off here at Magicanada. | ||||||||||||
| Ethan the Emazing |
I was not reffering to that post, but his overall attitude and the way he started off here. |
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| Dbaker |
Gotta' say, for a guy "Not trying to make enemies" you've got a heck of an attitude.
Your ascertion that I've never read his work is correct, which I made no attempt to hide. I clearly stated that what I know of him is based entirely on what I've heard from others. If the information was faulty, then good for Mr. Fitzkee. By the way, lybrary.com has a reputaion amoungst magic creators as a major piracy site.
I suggest that people get a copy of Mark Wilson's book on a regular basis. He asked for a reference, and I suggested one. If you consider that an attack, you should avoid asking questions.
As I said already, for a guy who doesn't want to make enemies you certainly have a heck of an attitude. And as for personal attacks, you've made four in this post alone. Here's a question, On what exactly are you basing your assumption that it's a lie? Hmmm, the attitude, the smart a$$ remarks, the baseless crap, coming onto the site at the same time Philmar left, anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?
You certinaly have a way of doing it though don't you. Why am I here? I have a track record of being right. I was wrong this time - okay, personally it doesn't mean much to me. I'm not sure why you two (maybe/maybe not) are taking it so personally. Summed up: 1 - I was apparently wrong. 2 - Grow some skin. |
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| MH |
Well, the idiot test worked out pretty well, I guess... (Clearly a childish attack, don't bother pointing it out in a reply, as it's just a joke)
When you're wrong, you're extremely wrong. Thank you for pointing out that I have an attitude, I certainly would not have guessed... 
You tried to take the high ground using what your 'peers' told you about Fitzkee and Sharpe against someone who clearly read the work. "If you consider that an attack, you should avoid asking questions." Seeing as how I asked no questions, I agree. "On what exactly are you basing your assumption that it's a lie?" The fact that you make it seem like the consensus is that Sharpe's work isn't worth reading. Either you lied about having peers tell you about Sharpe, or your peers don't know about Eugene Burger. As for baseless crap, Philmar based his opinions (in his later posts) on the works of famous magicians. You, on the other hand, used anonymous peers. And I was thinking what you were thinking, which is why I decided to make it clear that you were thinking incorrectly. "You certinaly have a way of doing it though don't you. " Hell yea. "I'm not sure why you two (maybe/maybe not) are taking it so personally." What were you saying about baseless crap? "Summed up: 1 - I was apparently wrong. 2 - Grow some skin." You were wrong. And I'm not taking this as seriously as you seem to think I am. |
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| Ian McCarthy |
I have to say. This was honestly one of the most outrageous threads I have read in a long time. Let me reflect what the others are saying here and state that: DBaker, if you don't know what you are talking about don't open your mouth. I have responded to some points below. Sorry if I am repeating anything.
The irony with this is the fact that the post was in relation to research. You jumped to a very very stupid conclusion. Saying that you do not know who Fitzkee is, when talking about magic theory would be akin to a close up magician asking you who this bobo guy you keep referring to you is. If you had read any books what so ever on theory and presentation, then you would more than likely have heard him at least referenced.
I call BS on this too. Lybrary has quite a good reputation, and most definatly does not engage in piracy. Once again do some reaserch - http://www.lybrary.com/conditions.php
That is akin to recommending The Royal Road to Card Magic to someone who is asking for help with their Zig Zag illusion. I personally find that beginners magic books are generally not that relevant when discussing advanced magic theory. But that's just me. Here is some reading material, so maybe you will not be so ill informed next time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dariel_Fitzkee |
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| Guest |
You are right. I apologize.
You were wrong - you owe ME an apology.
I asked for a reference that backs up your argument. Wilson's does NOT do that. In fact, I don't think you even own the book, which is why you use it as a reference. Everyone tells you something and you take it as gospel truth, but the problem is, you don't actually have anything to back up your arguments, so you simply use "heresay." Just as you suggest that Fitzkee is "a youtube magician" because you have no idea of what you're talking about, you suggest Wilson because you don't know what you're talking about. I have a 19 year old son and he is very much the same as you. You let your aligator mouth overload your humming bird @ss. Is it any wonder that so many regular members don't post here anymore? Having to deal with morons such as this, it has been a pleasure to be banned from these forums. Why waste my time? Here you have this Dbaker chap that spouts his inanities as if he knew the first thing that he's talking about, when, in fact, he has the intelligence of an imbecilic six year old. You need proof? Then, Dbaker, please tell me the page that this list of definitions is on. You can't, can you? Of course you can't, because it doesn't exist in the book. Therefore you either do not have this book or you are a complete imbecile. Please, tell me, which is it?
You are 100% correct. The problem with your attitude is simply that I'd prefer to have someone in my house who is a nuisance, but knowledgable rather than someone who goes along with everything that I say and is a moron. Hey, if you want to continue doing magic and looking like a fool to your audience, then more power to you. But, if you honestly want to learn and grow as a magician, then maybe nuisances such as me have their place. When I was in grade school, I considered my teachers to be nuisances too. People who were there to take away from my personal time of having fun. Now that I'm older and wiser, I realize that all the knowledge that I missed out on as a result of my attitude is shameful at best. What a waste of my childhood, to desire fun over knowledge and wisdom. But, such is life and the attitude of most children. As my father always said, "Nobody will accuse a kid of being smart." I know, Brian, you've got it all figured out. What do I know? So, here's a quote from a man that you may have heard about in your studies in high school and, now, college: "When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years." -Mark Twain- And, here's the fact of the matter: You people don't know the difference between a plot and an effect. The fact that so many of you have argued against me only proves my point. You don't know theater...and magic is nothing more than theater. To study tricks without the study of theater makes no sense. If you can't pull off theater, then you can't do magic. You can do tricks, you can be a puzzlemaster, you can be clever, but you'll never be a magician. In closing, thank you to those who have argued my point after my ban. I appreciate it. Unfortunately, you are arguing against people that don't want to learn and don't want to grow. As they say, when you argue with a fool, who is the fool? Still, I appreciate your support more than you could possibly know. Thank you. |
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| BrianMillerMagic |
Philmar, you're missing the big picture. You may be the most knowledgeable person in magic history for all we know. However, your first post was incoherent rubbish that destroyed any credibility you were ever going to get. "You never get a second chance to make a first impression." I'm sure you've heard that one before. After your first post, everyone assumed you were just here to make trouble and be a nuisance. You can't honestly expect anyone to have given you an ounce of respect after the way you introduced yourself here.
And for the record, I'm the last person to dismiss teachers as nuisances. I'm an education major for crying out loud and have massive respect for great teachers. Your fault lies in the fact that you assume anyone with knowledge can teach. This is simply not true. There are many brilliant people who couldn't teach to save their life. You may be an incredibly knowledgeable person and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in that area, but to say that I treat you as a nuisance because I treat all teachers as such is nonsense and an argument without foundation. |
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| Michael Kras |
You're right, I do owe you an apology for the false accusation, so I apologize for it.
It was admittedly quite horrifying to read the Dbaker, a magician wtih an obviously large amount of magic experience, had not heard of Dariel Fitzkee. I first read about him in an old issue of Magic Manuscript I had from the '80s. So I totally back you up there, Philmar. Finally, you are not considered a nuisance but you act as though you are the only person at Magicanada qualified to teach, while we also have excellent teachers such as Brian, Craig, and new member Alex Linian. Your knowledge is certainly an asset to us, but not the only asset. I also notice that Brian's post is a double-lesson message... well played 
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| Guest |
Then don't give me a second chance, Brian. If that's the kind of person that you are, particularly after I've made an unconditional apology, then please, Mr. Kras, ban me again. This just ain't the place that I want to be. It will only be a major waste of my time.
It wasn't an argument - it was an analogy. Please, Mr. Miller, teacher to be, sir, please, please, please learn the difference. My own, personal fault? I'm sorry, I'm not the one with three full e-books published trying to teach anything. You either read what I have to say and learn, or you choose to ignore what I say (and unlike you, it's free coming from me). But teach? That's not my job. Please point out in any of my posts where I specifically state that I want to teach you anything. I may say that you might learn something (which, if you'd quit being immature about all of this and trying to put yourself in the right), but I don't mean I'm going to teach it to you, I mean that if you'd just get over yourself, my words may just have some meaning. But, I ain't here to teach it to you. The ideas that I suggest can't be taught, they can only be learned. It is more a matter of: "A word to the wise will suffice." Still, say the word Brian and I'll be more than happy to leave you people to your own. You may notice that the folks on this thread who actually knew the FACTS over the fictions that all the members were jumping on board with don't post here anymore. Do you wonder why? Just ask and I'll explain it to you. Otherwise, let me know and this will be my very last post. There is no greater blindness than those who refuse to see. |
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| Michael Kras |
You've certainly not pushed teaching on us, but you have seemed to ingore the fact your opinion isn't always the only one or even always the correct one. | ||||||||||||
| Guest |
Please, point out in this thread where I am wrong. You can't.
Now, if you will young man, owner and proprietor of this forum, do what I asked you to do no less than three times in the last 5 months: DELETE MY ACCOUNT Over and over I've asked you to do that. You asked that I come back here - not vice versa. I told you to quit spamming my e-mail account and delete my membership. You did not. You sent me an e-mail whining about how you needed more input on this forum because it was going to hell. DELETE MY ACCOUNT Get me off your spam mailer and delete my account. I haven't the time for this EDIT. |
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| BrianMillerMagic |
In this first paragraph you insult me directly by telling me I look like a fool to my audiences. You've never seen my perform, so this is downright rude. Then you say that I should listen to people such as yourself if I want to grow as a magician. No, sir, I choose my teachers and mentors very carefully and I do not have to listen to people such as you in order to grow. There are people that I study with personally, that I've chosen, that help me grow. In the second paragraph you insinuate that I think of teachers as nuisances by saying, "I considered my teachers to be nuisances too." Then you again state that those who have disagreed with you do not want to grow and learn. Not to mention the fact that some of us, like myself, take the Socratic approach to learning, "Knowledge through discourse." You want to dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as someone who doesn't want to grow or learn. Please point me to your unconditional apology that I seem to have missed in the midst of your condescending tone and statements. May I also encourage you to look back through this thread from the first time you were here. You'll notice that I never once disagreed with you, and in fact only engaged in the conversation to defend Michael's right to ban someone. I wasn't even involved in the discussion with you, which is partly why I'm getting aggravated with your random subtle attacks at me in the day that you've been back. I wasn't the one spewing out incorrect information or failing to do research. |
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| BrianMillerMagic |
Obviously you do, or you wouldn't have bothered to come back and re-engaged in this conversation. If you don't have time, then stop posting. If you don't want spam email from here anymore and Michael isn't taking you off of the list, then block the email address and have it automatically deleted. |
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| Guest |
I was invited back here. Now, uninvite me and delete my account. In the mean time:
Click here. Very first line. Not hard, but you have to be able to read.
Yes, I have seen you perform. You are on youtube and have various videos online. So, yes, I have seen you perform. Still, I wasn't indicting you directly. I was making a generalized statement. The fact that you seem to think that the shoe fits is a very telling fact. And, I will continue to post until I have been uninvited to this forum. You had every right to attack me to begin with, this time though, I am a guest and not here of my own desire. I was invited in the door, so if you don't like it, uninvite me. Then, I will stop posting and EVERYONE will be happy. |
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| Michael Kras |
Philmar, your opinions would be a lot more respected and acknowledged if it weren't for this:
http://magicanada.myfastforum.org/sutra968.php&highlight=#968 You may not have been wrong in this thread but you certainly went dead wrong here. I can't for the life of me figure out why you did that, but whatever your reasoning should be, it certainly did not help you when you decided to start acting like an adult (which, technically, you really aren't right now either). |
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| BrianMillerMagic |
Apologizing and then continuing on in the exact same manner means nothing. Sure, you've seen my videos online. Is that how we're judging the art of a live performance now? By minute long video clips on YouTube? Until you've seen me live, don't insult my performance. And it wasn't a general statement, it was in the exact same paragraph that was addressed directly to me. No one buys the, "Oh, that's not what I meant" excuse on forums. If you'd like to read an unbiased critic review of my show, I'll gladly direct you to one. But you don't have time for that of course...except that you're still here posting.
Lastly, it's not within my right to uninvite you. It's Michael's sole decision, and even as a moderator I have no control over it. |
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| Michael Kras |
As you wish, Philmar. Thank you for helping create the longest, most pointless thread on Magicanada. | ||||||||||||
| Reuben The Great |
Philmar:Please Philmar, why embarrass yourself anymore than you already have. You join this forum talking like a 9 year old arrogant prick, then try and puff yourself up with some useless junk about telling people what and how they should act. If you're man enough to argue about magical ethics, please post some videos of you actually doing magic. How do we know you aren't a 42 year old man, living in his parents basement with a couple magic books beside his computer. You try and speak to us as if you are a genius in magic, and reasoning everything with logic. Then you start sending posts with caps lock, and swearing to delete your account. How very unethical of you. |
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| Michael Kras |
What a childish fool. Account permanently deleted. | ||||||||||||
| Ben Train |
I joined this forum BECAUSE of this thread.
Wow. Just wow. just remember this gents- better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool then to open it and remove all doubt. Oh, and Triumph. |
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| Liam |
i just learned an amazing triumph routine from "Transformations" and i have to admit, it is very nice.
i still like twisting the best though |
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