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| Michael Kras |
The TrilogyThe Trilogy by Dan and Dave Buck looks tremendously good, but I want to know if you think it is worth it. It looks like a good buy but I would like to hear a few small testimonials before clicking the Add To Cart button. Thoughts? |
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| Ian McCarthy |
To be honest I think it was a bit of a waste for me. Most of the stuff there is a bit knuckle busting without providing much in the way of real benefit. That's to me anyway. | ||||
| Liam |
i own it!
and unless you are REALLY into flourishes, dont buy disk two. If you kinda like flourishing, there is enough of that on disk three. But disk one is the main point here, the one on magic. i will now try to review all of the tricks 1) tivo transpo An instant transposition inbetween a card ontop of the deck, and one in the middle. Kinda messy. not to visual ** 2)Tivo 2.0 A later version of the effect discribed above. This one is great no cover needed. But it is VERY dificult, for me atleast. Still increadibly visual. **** 3)Subway A selected card jumps from one packet into another, and into a sandwich of face up cards. Not to hard, very visual, good reactions. **** 4)Card across A selected card jumps from one packet to the other. Very visual, but very hard handling. IMO, inferior to subway. *** 5)Card to mouth A selected card is pushed flush, then it is already in your mouth. A startling effect, fairly easy, good reactions Same method as card across **** 6)Deja vu A cool transpo in between sandwiches. One sandwich goes on the table, a second is picked up, and then they switch. Very neat, great reactions, medium handling. ***** 7)Twinsplit remix A three is "ripped" into an ace and a two, then put back together Very hard handling, but very visual *** 8)Fission for aces. Like the effect above, but from 8s to aces Even harder handling *** 9)Hofzy Osbourne My favourite on the disk. Aces are put onto table A card is selected then lost in the pack Then one ace flips over, and it represents the suit lets say the heart One card in the deck flips, lets say its a seven So you now know their card is the seven of hearts, so you try to change the seven that was flipped into their card. But you accidently change it into the ace of hearts. You then flipp over the card that is flipped in the aces, and its their card. Handling isnt that hard, very visual ***** 10)The Queens Vanish the four queens one by one, then make them all re-appear. Very visual, fairly easy. **** 11)Swiss Maid A more visual version of the time traveling card trick Very hard handling, very visual *** 12)Collectors two selected cards a lost in the pack Then in about two seconds, you have to cards sandwiched in face up aces, and they are the selections. Very visual, not to hard. ***** 13)Hedbergs peak You display the top two cards, lets say a 2 and a king. The 2 goes on bottom, king ontop. Then instantly the 2 is ontop again. You flip the deck to show the king is on bottom. But then you spread the deck, showing that the king is still ontop, and the 2 is still on bottom Very visual, but knuckle busting. **** 14)Sixty Nine Four sixs are shown, then you spin them around a bit, and they get so dizzy they trun into nines. A bit to flourishy for my tastes, but a solid effect. Very hard handling *** I wanna say that i've been doing card magic for about 6 months, so these probably wouldnt be that hard for you. Disk one is great, the rest arent worth it IMO. Disk one: **** Disk two:** Disk three:*** |
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| Dbaker |
Certinely doesn't sound worthwhile to me. | ||||
| Michael Kras |
Just got this set! A wonderful DVD set with tons of awesome card material. Definitely knuckle-busting though!
My favourite items are as follows: Tricks- The Queens Flourishes- Akira Everything Else- Tg Murphy Deck Flip |
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| Liam |
my favourties:
tricks- tivo 2.0 flourishes- madonna cut (part 1 of the jackson 5) everything else- heap snatch cut |
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| Reuben The Great |
To be completely honest, 95% of the stuff on the trilogy is useless to me.
There's no humour or entertainment, all just freaking people out sort of thing. PLus, major flourishes just show you're a card shark, not a magician. I don't know, The Bucks take a simple effect and do the opposite of what Dai Vernon (i think) said, eliminate unnecessary moves basically. They throw in complicated sleights to do a very simple effect, not useful to me. My opinion, can anybody second that? |
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| Michael Kras |
You don't need humour in magic... many magicians don't use it at all. I find the effects very entertaining as well.
Secondly Card SHARK????? One of my pet peeves there... it's card SHARP!!!!! 
And finally, you don't need to perform the material on The Trilogy just as it is presented.. but sadly, most do. I personally simplify the routines there as much as possible to eliminate suspicion. Magic must look organic and natural to be magic. The way the Bucks perform is flash in the pan, flourishy stuff that in no way looks like magic. However, I personally bought the Trilogy to get some useful card stunts and moves suck as the 360 Deck Spin, the TG Murphy Deck Flip, Under Pressure, Heap Snatch, and the Molecule Spring Production. |
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| Reuben The Great |
The extras are the best.
PLus, i didn't mean humour always, just in general its best to kibbitz with your audience a little. PLUS, it is a card SHARK. |
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| Reuben The Great |
Ive asked my entire family- SHARK . | ||||
| Michael Kras |
SHARP... look it up 
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| Michael Kras |
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/card-sharp.html it appears as though we are both correct. | ||||
| Liam |
i'm with reuben on this one
the stuff on there is really unnesicarily difficult like tivo 2.0 the one you did on westmount magic was so much easier, but accomplished the same effect. and when presenting their trick they just explain what you can see thats what your eyes are for, not your ears. its only impressive for magicians, because you know they are pulling off uber sleights, but for laypeople they just get bored. and it IS shark |
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| Reuben The Great |
Thank you for agreeing with EVERYTHING i just said liam, true man
By the way, where do you live? |
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| Michael Kras |
It's SHARP! I own books written by cardsharps with the word Cardsharp in the title! Cardshark is known as the mispronounciation of Cardsharp and it's a known fact that although both are in today's editions of the dictionary, the word Cardshark only made it in to the dictionary in it's third reprint. | ||||
| Liam |
okay mike, we dont really care
and reuben, i live near vancouver BC |
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| Michael Kras |
Just trying to set the record straight. | ||||
| Ben Train |
Except you're wrong. Sharp referes to the greek name for cheats. In Robert Houdins seminal book on the subject, Sharps and Flats, the sharp was the guy who could manipulate the deck to give him an advantage. A modern term might be mechanic. A SHARK, on the other hand, refers to someone with serious playing ability, the kind of guy who can bust you with superior play technique. Phil Hellmouth, or Doyle Brunson, is considered a shark ('cause they'll take a bite out of your stack...) Now, saying that, the phrase Card SHARK is more recognizable, and may be more appropriate for patter possabilities when talking about cheating/gambling. Ben p.s. If anyone has any CREDIBLE information to contradict me, please let me know. I love to learn. p.p.s. Sorry for the crappy spelling- I'm in a rush. |
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| Michael Kras |
Check out the Genii forums. There is a discussion there that proves both are correct. | ||||
| Michael Kras |
100 Most Mispronouced Words
http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/mispron.html |
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| Ben Train |
Mike, if you read my post you'll see that I acknowledge both words have gambling-oriented meanings. But, they have DIFFERENT meanings. Please post the link to the genii website topic. |
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| Michael Kras |
That's the first I have heard of them having two definitions.
http://www.geniimagazine.com/foru...000153&Number=0&site_id=1 |
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| Liam |
its probably just a mispronounciation that has taken on a new meaning...
maybe it was originally shark, then someone called it sharp accidentally, then they both became words with slightly different meanings. hmmm.... modern day version.... got one! own and pwn pwn was a typo of the word own, that is now used to descirbe a different type of owning. Like totally schooling someone is pwning them. |
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| Ben Train |
For real? Read my mother****ing post. Glad to help, and all the best, Ben |
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| Liam |
ya for real i bet shark evolved from sharp |
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| Reuben The Great |
Holy crap, magicians get so tense over the stupidest things. Calm down the language, all of you. | ||||
| Michael Kras |
There's only one person who has technically used bad language and it was only a pseudo swear.
And Liam, I thin it's best to at least really read and consider what Ben has written... he has a vast amount of knowledge about these things, more than most of the members here. ESPECIALLY when it comes to cards. Ok, so Ben is in fact correct... although one has been around longer, they both exist and both have different definitions although they both reference exceedingly sharp skill with a deck of cards. |
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| BrianMillerMagic |
Well this is fun...
I would definitely listen to Ben about most things, especially when it comes to cards. He has straight up more knowledge and experience than anyone here, certainly including guys like myself, Alex Linian, etc. |
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| Michael Kras |
Agreed. He'll treat learning like magic bootcamp and that's the way it should be. We should be working for our knowledge and listening intently when knowledge comes. Most of us are students, and one of the most important lessons Ben has taught me is that it is not the student's job to teach. | ||||
| Ben Train |
Quick note-
I'm not, in any way, upset. I just wanted to see if posting mother****ing would get me in trouble... testing the waters of the forum...
I'll make it simple- Shark is a good player. Sharp is a cheat. I'd rather be the former... |
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