The Magicanada Project

Michael Kras

I am literally sitting here putting this idea together as I type. I shall explain.

A deck is brought out... it can be borrowed. The spectators himself removes the deck from the box, and shuffles it. The cards are given to the magician who fairly begins to deal cards face up onto the table. He request that the spectator to stop him whenever she feels the urge to. Where she says stop is really where the magician stops dealing. The card stopped at is revealed to the spectators, in the fairest manner, and the magician genuinely never looks at the card at all. It is fairly cut into the deck, no breaks, everything up to now has been FAIR. Let me ease your fluttering mind up to this point.

-Shuffled deck, no set up before, after, or during the shuffle.

-Cards are genuinely dealt fairly with no second dealing or bottom dealing

-The cards are genuinely stopped wherever the spectator wishes. No packet turnovers or card switches whern the stopped-at card is given to the spectator

- No breaks, crimps, or controls when the card is returned, the card is genuinely cut into the deck... no key cards, glimpses, or peeks.

Anyways, back to the effect. The card has been genuinely lost and the deck is cut numerous times... it can even be cut by a helpful spectator. Despite the fairness of everything, with absolutely no sleight of hand, stacks, or other cheating techniques, the magician knows the exact position of the thought of card in the deck. This is proven by the spectator himself dealing to the named number and discovering the freely selected card at it.

I forgot to mention... no forces either.

Thoughts? Theories?

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Ben Train · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 268

The problem with this is that it isn't so much WHAT is it, but rather what ISN'T it.

Michael Kras · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:44 am Post subject:

Are you referring to the effect itself only, or both that and methods that meet the same requirements as I have laid out?
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Liam · Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 424

i think he means that it ISNT a force
it ISNT a stack
but really it should be thing, not shouldnt be things

like...
is it the same to do a good thing then it is to not do a bad thing?

Ben Train · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 268

No...

I mean you're asking us to guess methods, and there are many. I need more conditions before it becomes a problem.

Now, finding the best solution is hard.

Michael Kras · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:21 am Post subject:

Conditions:

Borrowed deck, shuffled by anyone in the room as much as they would like.

Either spectator or magician can deal through the cards, and can stop whenever they want.

Selection is not forced, nor is the identity at all known by the magicians.

No peeks, glimpses, psychological work.

Card fairly lost in deck, no breaks or controls of any sort. Card can be cut many times, even by the spectator of the magician desires.

Without looking at any faces, feeling sides of deck, glimpsing, counting, or using sleights of any kind, the magician knows exactly where the card is positioned in the deck down to the exact card.

No sleights or controls are executed during the counting procedure and a spectator may do it, discovering the thought of card at that very location in the deck.
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Reuben The Great · Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 245

Hey everybody,

Mike has explained the method to me, and very, very clever I'll tell you.

All I'll say is you guys are thinking too hard.
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Michael Kras · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject:

Thank you Reuben, glad you like the concept!! I'm still working on it, trying to find some powerful uses rather than "Your card is at position___".

The method is very straightforward yet a tad complex at the same time... it requires your mind to be working full speed the entire time as well. I can;t say much more than that. I'll try to ring out all of the conditions.

Deck is borrowed and shuffled by a spectator, magician doesn't touch it.

Spectator fairly deals cards and stops at selection anytime they want, free choice of card, no forces.

The card is cut into the remaining stock of cards, no glimpses, peeks, crimps, breaks, or swtiches of any kind, it is genuinely lost and the magician genuinely doesn't know the card's identity.

All cards are assembled, cards are cut numerous times by both magician and spectator.

After all fairness, without looking at the faced AT ALL, the magician instantly knows the exact position of the selection in the deck, despite the fairness.

No marking, gimmicks, nail nicks, short cards, thick cards, stripper principle.
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Ben Train · Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 268

Does the method rely on a number being subtracted from 52 to find the location, and can you be out of the room when the card is selected and lost?

There is a super clever handling for such a premise, which we'll talk about this weekend!

Ben

Michael Kras · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject:

To be honest, a bit of the method relies on mental math but due to the manner in which the selection is lost back in, there's quite a bit more to it than subtracting from 52.

I am eager to talk about it!

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